and i'm still paying taxes. >> larry, let me ask you, where do you think this whole discussion is going in the country regarding gun owners? what do you think ultimately is going to happen given that the united states supreme court said the individual has a right to have a weapon? >> i think we have got to smoke out what seems to be behind us. too many times people advocating gun control seem to be very happn elitist assumption they are worth protecting and the rest of us chopped liver. i think maybe after the tragedy in newtown people are beginning to realize we have been trying gun-free zones now for 20 years and all we get for the trouble is massacres in gun-free zones. isn't it about time that we wake up and tell the politicians either get with the program or we will get a new politician it and change these laws that militate against decent people being able to defend themselves even though the politicians can't do anything to keep criminals from getting guns to hurt the rest of us. >> larry pratt and otis mcdonald who joins us interest chicago the gun-free city that is one of the m